tv This Week With George Stephanopoulos ABC October 11, 2015 8:00am-9:01am PDT
and pumpkin seeds. greek yogurt, packed full of goodness. >> announcer: starting right now on abc's "this week." stunning shakeup. republicans in congress desperate to find a new leader. as chaos erupts on capitol hill. can someone finally bring the party together? plus, crunch time. democrats preparing for their biggest moment yet. facing off in the make-or-break debate in just two days. with sanders surging and clinton struggling, who will come out on top? and, is biden finally jumping in? the clock ticking down on his 2016 decision. why it could happen this week. from abc news, "this week" with george stephanopoulos begins now. and good morning. i'm martha raddatz. so many developing stories as we
come on the air. but we begin with the breaking news out of turkey. where twin bomb blasts have killed nearly 100 people at a peace rally. it's the deadliest terror attack in the country's modern history. turkey is a key u.s. ally in the war against isis. and abc's alex marquardt is there with the latest. good morning, alex. >> reporter: good morning, martha. you can see here a large crowd that has gathered for a service for those who were killed in the attack yesterday. they're being called martyrs for freedom and democracy. the blast at the capital's main train station ripped through the crowd gathered for a peace rally. the first blast caught on camera. afterwards, there was chaos and carnage everywhere. people fleeing. many trying to help the wounded. as ambulances poured in. turkish officials are telling us today that the death toll has risen to almost 100 with hundreds more still in the hospital.
they think that suicide bombers carried out this attack. which is the worst terror attack in modern turkish history. so far, no claim of responsibility. now many in turkey are blaming the government for breaking the truce with the kirdish militant group the pkk. with turkey on the offensive with isis and the pkk, many fear this is a sign of more violence and bloodshed to come. martha? >> thank you, alex. we're joined by former national counterterrorism center director michael leiter. michael, this, as you heard, the deadliest terror attack in turkey's modern history. what effect will it have in the region? >> i think a couple of effects. this is turkey's 9/11. this will be a massive effect on it politically. this is all an outgrowth of syria. whether it's isis, whether it's an offshoot of the pkk. this all goes to turkey's involvement in the region.
and the pressure out of isis because of the kurds fighting. isis and assad. isis being attacked by turkey. it's showing the caldron that that region is. it's making alignment with turkey and europe and nato that much more difficult. >> and this week, in syria, we had the u.s. saying the training of syrian rebels is not working. it's a failure. so now what? >> this is all very disappointing. i think all of us who have been arguing for a stronger action in syria for a longer time have relied on air strikes in combination with an ability to train. i think at the core, the problem with the training was not supporting people who were also going against assad. assad is the core problem here. isis is a symptom of assad. not just the problem. and when we focus all of our training only on those elements that would fight against isis,
we really were going down, i think, a losing path. >> you have russia involved also this week. firing the barrage of cruise missiles, that congested air space. >> this went from an impossible situation to a more impossible situation. russia's involvement shows two things. one, how a local problem can spiral into a regional and almost geopolitical strategic challenge. second, it limits our options. having a no-fly zone. having a safe zone to the northern end of syria all of that become more complicated with russia there, russia fighting. >> just very quickly this morning, michael. reports from iraq that they have hit the isis leader, al baghdadi. those reports have been wrong in the past. if they did get him? >> if they did, it would be good. but i don't think it will change the dynamic very much. ultimately, this continues to be a vifl war, a region regional p
war. baghdadi going away doesn't change much. >> thank you very much. the critical countdown in the 2016 race. will joe biden jump in? there he is this weekend, out with his family, mulling over the biggest political decision of his life. plus, hillary clinton, bernie sanders, and the rest of the field set to face-off in that first democratic debate. abc's cecilia vega tracking it all. she joins us from outside the vice president's home in delaware. good morning, cecilia. >> reporter: martha, good morning to you. no sign of him yet. all eyes on joe biden, if he's going to jump into this race, he needs to decide soon. joe biden, on the run. this weekend sprinting past cameras following his every move, and dodging questions about entering the race for the white house. >> get out of my way, will ya? >> reporter: the vice president at home in delaware with his family, weighing his political future. sources close to biden tell abc news he believes he has about
one week to make up his mind. and while publicly, last week, it was funnyman joe -- >> if i don't move, i'll be demoted to secretary of state or something like that. that's a joke. that's a joke. >> reporter: privately, his aides had very serious discussions with democratic party leaders. covering critical rules and fast-approaching ballot deadlines, all crucial if a team is mounting a presidential bid. if he does jump in, a new poll shows biden cutting into hillary clinton's lead in the key states ohio, pennsylvania, and florida. clinton now wins more than 50% of the primary vote. far ahead of vermont senator, bernie sanders. but watch that lead dip if biden declares. and with a possible biden run looming, clinton issuing a warning. >> now, if he gets into the election, then people are going to be raising questions. just like they do about me. that's what happens when you get into the arena.
>> reporter: in that arena, a stunning political reversal. clinton denouncing one of president obama's top priorities. a flip-flop on his transpacific partnership deal. the trade deal she once backed and called the gold standard. but now? >> i'm not in favor of what i have learned about it. >> reporter: in less than a month, the fourth major split from her former boss. from going against the pipeline. calling for a no-fly zone in syria, and saying the administration has gone too far on deportations. with sanders gaining, clinton moving to the left before tuesday's first democratic debate. as he rakes in the campaign cash. and draws anonymous crowds. more than 13,000 in arizona friday. and 9,000 in colorado saturday. and just in time for the debate, republicans releasing this ad, targeting hillary clinton. >> i did not e-mail any
classified material to anyone. >> a federal government watchdog has determined there was classified information. >> did, in fact, contain classified information. >> okay, and cecilia joins us now. you have talked about joe biden probably deciding this week. but when would it actually be too late for him to decide? >> reporter: well, you know, technically, he could run as a write-in candidate and declare at the very last minute. nobody believes that will happen. it's late already. time is of the essence right now. there are real deadlines approaching. the first one in a few days. october 29th. he would need to declare by then to make it on to the georgia ballot. it's not just the deadlines. he's got to compete with 64,000 campaign volunteers
built up around the country. if he wants to compete with that, martha, he has to decide soon. some would say it's too late. >> he's not in time for the debate this week. give us ang idea what the expectations are for that debate. >> a lot of tea leaf reading. what is at the crux of his decision, his emotional state meeting with family this weekend. that is going to help him decide whether to run. everyone is going to be watching that stage in las vegas on tuesday looking at hillary clinton facing off against bernie sanders. sanders' history on gun control and flip-flop from hillary clinton on trade. what we don't expect to see, that political free for all that we saw with republicans, martha, so far the democrats are promising at least for now to
play nice. >> thanks, cecilia. now to the republicans and the latest on that chaos on capitol hill. a leadership crisis for the gop this morning. their search for a speaker still on abc's jon karl has the breaking details. >> reporter: republicans are looking for someone, anyone to lead them. >> why would anyone want to be speaker at this point? >> that is the $64,000 question. >> reporter: many are begging paul ryan to take the job. >> i did everything but carry his gym bag. >> the man who would be king insists he doesn't want the crown but republicans hope he will have a change of heart. one ryan confidant tells abc, that seems to be happening. he puts the odds at 60%. for a party known for taking who
is next in line, this week's capitol chaos proves just how much the outsiders have taken over. it's a clash that's been building for years. those ushered into power by the tea party wave taking on the entrenched washington establishment. >> well, in 2010, the american people showed up in enormous numbers. and we got a republican majority in the house and very little changed. >> reporter: now a republican party that gained huge majorities in 2014 is in disarray. as real deadlines loom over funding the government and raising the debt limit. republicans still have their largest house majority since herbert hoover was president. but what good is it when they're so divided? >> we can't go on like this when one small group is allowed to hijack the entire house. we have to have a government that works. this is not a debating society. >> reporter: congress has been turned upside down by the same forces upending the race for the white house. with political experience now a
liability, outsiders donald trump and dr. ben carson are dominating the 2016 field. no matter what they say or who they offend. on the campaign trail, and in the capitol, the establishment is on shaky ground. a house of cards trying to avoid collapse. for "this week," jonathan karl, abc news, washington. >> our thanks to jon. joining us now, congressman jason chaffetz, republican of utah, chair of the house oversight committee and a candidate for house speaker. good morning. >> good morning. >> you have heard the descriptions of what happened this week. total confusion. a banana republic. turmoil. crisis in the party. chris christie comparing this to "game of thrones." and "the washington post's" karen tumulty writing this -- "less than a year after a sweeping electoral triumph, republicans are on the verge of ceasing to function as national
political party." mr. chairman, how do you think americans should see this? >> well, that was a little dramatic. look, we have passed out of the house roughly 200 bills that are sitting over in the united states senate. a lot of our frustration is with the senate. it's with the president but we have to change things. we need a fresh start. we have a gulf and a divide that needs to be bridged. we need a speaker, i think, who takes the communications realm and drives the discussion in the country about what it is we're standing for and what it is we're trying to do. and so we're going through the exercise. because speaker boehner stepped down, and the majority leader decided we do need a fresh face. that's in part why i put my name in for the spot. >> you may be a fresh face. but do you really think you can bridge this enormous divide? >> well, somebody's got to do it. i hope that paul ryan would do it. he's said repeatedly he won't. i do think there are other people that are better qualified. but i do think i bridge that gap.
and that's the case that i'm making. if there's somebody better who can unite us, i will support them. but, you know, you're either part of the solution or part of the problem. right or wrong, i have thrown myself in there and said, i think i can do this. >> let me tell you what congressman darryl issa has said. he said you have changed and have taken a break from holding government accountable. that certainly doesn't sound like it would be easy to bridge any gaps. >> well, i don't think that's accurate. we've been very aggressive. people have seen me fighting everything from fast and furious to the irs on planned parenthood to a host of things, benghazi and others. i've earned that reputation over 6 1/2 years. i have worked closely with my democratic allies. elijah cummings is a good friend. we have done over i think 200 letters now to the administration. so i do things a little bit differently. we've been very effective. >> let's talk about paul ryan. you mentioned him. and you said if he decides to run, you won't.
have you spoken to him, and what do you think the chances are that he will? >> no, i think paul ryan -- i have not spoken to him. i think he checks every box. he's got the great experience. he's a visionary. he understands the institution. he's a great spokesperson. and one of the things that i think people love is he puts his family first. he's got young kids. he'll have to make that decision. but i think he would be a wonderful speaker just like i thought he would be a great vice president or president. >> again, more signs of chaos this morning, however. on twitter, joe miller, the tea partier who beat lisa murkowski in the 2010 gop primary saying paul ryan is the absolute worst choice for speaker. it would be putting the prettiest face on the ugliest policies. and the 40 house freedom caucus members, those hard-line conservatives, saying they're still supporting daniel webster. >> well, that's why we have these discussions. why we need to have an election and it's partly why i put myself
out there, so we'll see what happens. >> what kind of compromises would you or a paul ryan have to make with those real hardliners? >> well, i think from the broad political spectrum, not just the freedom caucus, i think there is a need for some internal reform. how we bring bills up. that is how we -- getting back to regular order. how we offer and don't offer amendments. those types of things i think are frustrating to a lot of people. bills need to move through committee. we need to look at our internal rules package itself. but i don't think you have to cut a deal with anybody. there's no -- there's no deal that you have to cut. i think i've earned a reputation of being fair and that i'll hear all sides from the entire political spectrum. and really the role of the speaker is to be the constitutional officer that makes sure that the process is fair, it's balanced. we protect minority rights. we allow the good deals and ideas to percolate from the bottom up rather than a top down
driven process where the speaker is telling the body what to do. i think the speaker works for the conference. the house republicans. >> mr. chairman, i want to go back to the beginning. you said that was a very dramatic description. it was very dramatic this week. americans do look at congress and say, what's going on? so, whether you elect a speaker right away or not, what do you think the long-term effects of this will be on the hill and also on 2016? >> look, the american people swept us into power because they wanted results. and we got to take that fight to the senate. we got to take that fight to the president. and they haven't seen the results. again, passing bills out of the house is one step but we actually have to get those bills on to the president's desk because they don't like the current trajectory. to suggest it's all on the house republicans, it's wrong. when they talk about the dysfunction in washington, d.c., they're also talking about president obama and they're also talking about the united states senate. >> and i want to ask you quickly
about a report this morning also that a former staffer on the benghazi committee says he was fired from that committee because he was told to focus too much on hillary clinton instead of finding out answers about benghazi. >> well, i can tell you, when benghazi was first going, i was on the ground in tripoli. i was the first member of congress to be there. i've been there twice. i have spent a lot of time on benghazi. trey gowdy is running a first rate, very professional organization there. the hearing coming up on october 22nd is absolutely going to be, i think, a first class presentation where everybody asks questions. >> can you talk specifically about this person and why this might have happened? why he says he was fired for that? >> i have never met this person. i don't know this person. what i read was a statement from trey gowdy and the committee was that it was absolutely false. i believe them, and i don't think it's accurate. >> okay. we'll leave it there.
thank you very much, mr. chairman. next, "the roundtable" on tuesday's big democratic debate. who will come out on top? plus, we got an inside look on the set of "homeland." the secrets behind the thriller coming up. >> announcer: "this week with george stephanopoulos" brought to you by pacific life for life insurance, annuities and investment, choose pacific life, the power to help you succeed. i'm always there for my daughter. for the little things. and the big milestones. and just like i'm there for her, pacific life is there to help protect me and my family so i can enjoy all life's moments. pacific life. helping families for over 145 years achieve long-term financial security with lifelong retirement income. talk to a financial advisor today to grow your future with confidence. enough pressure in here for ya? ugh. my sinuses are killing me. yeah...just wait 'til we hit ten thousand feet.
i'm gonna take mucinex sinus-max. too late, we're about to take off. these dissolve fast. they're new liquid gels. and you're coming with me... wait, what?! you realize i have gold status? do i still get the miles? new mucinex sinus-max liquid gels. dissolves fast to unleash max strength medicine. start the relief. ditch the misery. let's end this. hii'm here to tell homeowners that are sixty-two and older about a great way to live a better retirement... it's called a reverse mortgage. call right now to receive your free dvd and booklet with no obligation. it answers questions like... how a reverse mortgage works, how much you qualify for, the ways to receive your money... and more. plus, when you call now, you'll get this magnifier with led light absolutely free! when you call the experts at one reverse mortgage today, you'll learn the benefits of a government-insured reverse mortgage. it will eliminate your monthly mortgage
payments and give you tax-free cash from the equity in your home and here's the best part... you still own your home. take control of your retirement today! next, what will the 2016 democratic race look like after the dramatic week ahead? will biden jump in? can hillary stop her slide? our powerhouse "roundtable" joins us with their insights.
i'm gonna take mucinex sinus-max. enough pressure in here for ya? too late, we're about to take off. these dissolve fast. they're new liquid gels. and you're coming with me... you realize i have gold status? mucinex sinus-max liquid gels. dissolves fast to unleash max strength medicine. let's end this. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like ordering wine equals pretending to know wine. pinot noir, which means peanut of the night. xerox personalized employee portals help companies! make benefits simple and accessible... from anywhere. hula dancing? cliff jumping! human resources can work better. with xerox. which allergy? eees. bees? eese. trees?
there's joe biden out with his family this weekend. so many shock waves for 2016 if he jumps into the race. let's bring in "the roundtable." senior writer at espn and co-host of the abc digital show, "straight talk," lz granderson. reihan salam, executive director of national review online. mark halperin, managing editor of bloomberg politics and host of "with all due respect" and abc's cokie roberts. and, cokie, i'm going to start with you. i'm going to go back to this debate that's coming up. the debate is tuesday. hillary clinton is still a formidable candidate. what do the others do to counter her and just your expectations for the day. >> she's a very formidable candidate. we talk about her sliding. she's still at the top of the polls. she's a very good debater. so is bernie sanders. all of them are experienced debaters. so the two dynamics going on. one is the hillary/bernie and how do they handle each other. and the other is, the
also runners who are eager to use this debate as a way for people to pay attention to them. they look at how carly fiorina did and say, that could happen to me. >> you think there will be fireworks in this one? maybe not quite as many. >> i think we'll be hearing about flip-flops. >> and to that point, you heard in the piece earlier, for the fourth time in less than a month, hillary clinton has gone contrary to what president obama wants or contrary to what she's said in the past. keystone pipeline. syria no-fly zones. deportations. and now the biggest one of all, the pacific trade deal. david brooks wrote in "the new york times," this was not only a substantive flip-flop, it was so naked it amounted to a bold and clarion statement of faith on behalf of flip-flopping itself. it suggests a whole style of campaigning and method of governing based on the principle of unprincipledness. flip-flopping is a strategy, mark halperin? >> well, look, she's doing two things at once on foreign
policy, she's trying to establish she's more hawkish, and eventually i think she and her campaign will say bernie sanders is not the same level to be commander in chief as she is. on domestic policy, there's fear on the part of the clintons that bernie sanders is more in line with the party. not just as an outsider and someone saying we're going to have a revolution. the party would prefer single payer over obamacare. the party would prefer to say absolutely not to the keystone pipeline. the party would prefer to say trade deals are bad for workers. she comes into this with some positives. some momentum. her "saturday night live" appearance was very good and kevin mccarthy did more to help her presidential campaign than james carville and paul begala combined. but she's under extraordinary pressure. david brooks represents the view of the media at large. one mistake by hillary clinton in this debate will be the only story. she knows that. >> okay, let's go beyond the debate. maybe way beyond the debate and joe biden possibly jumping in, possibly making a decision
this week, clearly not in time for the debate. what does it do to the race, lz? >> i think it forces the american people, the left, to figure out whether they want an obama third term because no matter what he says, no matter what policies he spins out there, the reality is it's going to appear like more of the same. he needs to figure out whether or not the american people want more of the same or if the left anyway wants more of the same. that's why you see hillary flip-flop the way she does. she recognizes the fact that she'll look like she's more obama. she's trying to separate herself from doing that. >> what kind of candidate would we have in joe biden? you heard this week he wanted that draft biden ad, the very emotional ad that draft biden was going to put on, he didn't want it put on because it was too emotional. when people look at joe biden, a lot of them say, that's the appeal. that's the joe biden we want in the race. so, how does he run? >> well, i think that his appeal, his distinctive appeal among democrats is that he appeals to a white working class voter that other democrats can't reach. you look at the 2012 race. 56% of the democratic votes came
from nonhispanic whites. that was a very heavy minority coalition. this time around, if a democratic candidate can win more of those white working class votes while retaining minority voters, that person or that candidate will be very, very formidable. so, i think that that's a really key part of biden's appeal, he gets to the midwestern, mid-atlantic kind of voters that other candidates have a harder time reaching. >> except republicans have an easy time reaching. and so, you know, it's tough for democrats to win those voters at all. joe biden's got cecilia vega, a lovely person, and lots of other press people staked out on his doorstep. he walks out on a sunday morning, does he say, oh, dear lord, do i want to have this going on again? >> or get out of my way like he said to the -- >> jokingly. or does he walk out and say, this is cool. i like this attention. i mean those are the kinds of calculations that will be going on. >> quickly, mark, does he get in? >> he wants to be president. he thinks he would be a better president than hillary clinton. i still think the personal is
weighing on him quite a bit and that to me in the end will be the deciding factor. >> that will be there forever. we're just getting started. time for a quick break. our powerhouse puzzler. who is the only speaker of the house of representatives to go on to become president? who is the only speaker of the house of representatives to go on to become president? we nmy wife just hit a deer. sorry!
(upset deer bleats) it was a mistake. look at our car. it has clearly suffered a lot more damage. yes. how did you learn how to drive? guys. (upset deer bleats) guys. guys! small claims court. we gotcha. this guys 5 stars. why don'tcha all come in? excellent perfect maybe we could all go together. whatever you need, whenever you need it, check yelp first. we know just the place. when you're not confident your company's data is secure,
the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters most. so who was the only speaker of the house to become president? let's see what you all came up with and if anyone has the correct answer. ford. maybe? john quincy adams. president garfield. just go with the old guys. you'll have a chance. garfield. okay. zero. zero. everybody shut out. >> was it polk? was it polk? >> it was polk. you should have gone with the instinct.
the answer is president james k. polk, our 11th president. he served as speaker from 1835 to 1839. back after this with presidential candidate bobby jindal live in iowa. same laugh. and since she's had moderate alzheimer's disease, i've discovered we have the same fighting spirit, too. that's why i asked her doctor about new once-a-day namzaric™. vo: new namzaric is approved for moderate to severe alzheimer's disease in patients who are currently taking, and can continue to take certain doses of both namenda and donepezil. new namzaric is the first and only treatment to combine 2 proven alzheimer's medicines into a single once-a-day capsule that works 2 ways to fight the symptoms of moderate to severe alzheimer's disease. once-a-day namzaric may improve cognition and overall function and may slow the worsening of symptoms for a while. namzaric does not change how the disease progresses. it shouldn't be taken by anyone allergic to memantine, donepezil, piperidine
or any of the ingredients in namzaric. before starting treatment, tell the doctor about any medical conditions they have... including heart or lung problems, seizures, stomach ulcers, bladder, kidney, or liver problems. tell the doctor if the patient will have any procedures involving anesthesia, which may cause muscle problems. other serious side effects may occur, including slow heartbeat and fainting; increased stomach acid, which may raise the chance of ulcers and bleeding; nausea and vomiting; difficulty passing urine, seizures, and worsening of lung problems. the most common side effects associated with namzaric are headache, diarrhea, dizziness, loss of appetite, and bruising. woman: mom and i share a lot of moments. and we're making the most of each one. vo: ask your doctor if new namzaric is right for your loved one. the artificial heart, this ielectric guitarsdoers, and rockets to the moon. it's the story of america- land of the doers. doin' it. did it. done. doers built this country. the dams and the railroads. ♪john henry was a steel drivin' man♪ hmm, catchy. they built the golden gates and the empire states. and all this doin' takes energy -no matter who's doin'.
there's all kinds of doin' up in here. or what they're doin'. what the heck's he doin? energy got us here. and it's our job to make sure there's enough to keep doers doin' the stuff doers do... to keep us all doin' what we do. let's get these dayquil liquid but these liquid gels are new. mucinex fast max. it's the same difference. this one is max strength and fights mucus. mucinex fast max. the only cold and flu liquid gel that's max-strength and fights mucus. let's end this.
at ally bank no branches equalsit's a fact.. kind of like mute buttons equal danger. ...that sound good? not being on this phone call sounds good. it's not muted. was that you jason? it was geoffrey! it was jason. it could've been brenda. there's paul ryan on capitol hill this week. will he solve the leadership chaos for republicans in congress right now? we know it's having an impact on the 2016 campaign trail. louisiana governor and presidential candidate bobby jindal served in the house of representatives and joins us now from a beautiful morning in iowa. good morning, governor jindal. you have been -- >> good morning. >> you have been particularly critical of republicans in congress, saying again and again that you're angrier with them than the democrats. and saying that republicans must stop being the stupid party.
what did this week tell you about the republican party? >> martha, look, the congress is at 12% in the polls. i think they're determined to bring those numbers even lower. here's the slogan for the republican party in d.c. they've become the party of i can't, instead of the party of we can, we must, and we will. you look at issue after issue. they said give them the majority, and they would stop obamacare and amnesty. they didn't do that. this year, they've already given up the fights on fighting against planned parenthood and fighting against this bad iran deal. i think the american people are very frustrated. they want the party to fight for them. the senate's even worse. the senate makes the house look good by comparison. why won't the republicans do away with the filibuster rule in the senate to force a vote on the iran deal? to stop it from becoming a nuclear power. just when you thought it couldn't get worse, it looks like the house republicans and the republicans in d.c. are
determined to bring the numbers lower. >> who do you think would be the best speaker? >> look, i think think it's about personalities. i think it's who is going to go to the conference and say, i'm willing to fight for our beliefs? the reality is, look, i don't like what pelosi and reid and obama have done to our country but i do admire they fought to get obamacare done. when harry reid lost his 60th vote, he didn't give up on obamacare. when he lost his 60th vote, he didn't give up on getting the president's judges confirmed. the problem with the republicans in d.c., they all seem to give up before the fight starts. i've said, your choice right now in d.c. is honest socialists on the left, lying conservatives on the right who say one thing when they campaign, do another thing when they're elected and when it's time to govern. it's not about personalities. it's about a speaker willing to fight for conservative principles. i'm willing to fight just as hard or harder than -- >> is that paul ryan? would you support paul ryan? >> i like paul a lot. he's a friend. he's principled. he's intelligent.
the reality though is for me it's not about personalities. it's will paul look at the conference and tell them he's willing to go and fight the way i've just described? will he bring the backbone to the conference? so, i like paul a lot but the question is what commitment will the next speaker make to the conference about fighting for our beliefs? martha, this is a critical time for our country. the idea of america is slipping away. i want folks in d.c. that have a sense of urgency. i'd also like to see him fight for things like term limits. i think folks are tired of these lifelong politicians that pass one set of rules for themselves and another set of rules for the rest of us. >> i want to turn to the 2016 race and your race and where you stand on certain issues. you were a supporter of training syrian rebels. that has been a complete failure. they're not going to do that anymore. the obama administration said essentially that it wasn't working. so what would work? >> well, martha, look, bad policy, bad leadership leads to bad options.
the reality is they dithered. they waited so long that we have fewer good options. if they had aggressively trained those rebels in the beginning, if they had armed and trained kurds we'd be in a different place. you wouldn't have putin and assad working with hezbollah and iran. what will work today is you do need to -- >> how do you train rebels who where there to fight assad to suddenly want to fight isis? that's the main problem with those syrian rebels. >> well, no, martha, the kurdish rebels, the kurdish forces have been very effective at fighting isis in kobani and in iraq. the kurds have been an effective force. secondly, we need to enforce the now-fly, create a no-fly zone. working with our turkish and other allies. our sunni allies want to do more. but they're not going to go after isis if that merely leaves assad in power. they don't want assad in power. >> let's talk about a no-fly zone. isis doesn't have aircraft. so, what would that no-fly zone really accomplish? when has it really worked?
>> it accomplishes a couple of things. it accomplishes a couple of things, martha. number one, it helps to stabilize the region, so you don't have all these refugees flooding into europe. and trying to leave the country. secondly, it gives us space for moderates, for kurs and others to group and to plan attacks against isis, against assad. third, it keeps russia from bombing our allies. the folks we're working with. it also shows our sunni allies in the region that we're serious about winning this. we're here because the president drew a red line and didn't enforce it. we're here because the president has put political handcuffs on the military. won't let them go after isis and get the job done. >> let's talk about ground troops. that certainly would help any sort of no-flow zone. you're not going to have them there, those ground troops. how many would you send into syria, u.s. troops? >> i don't think you think --
take any option off the table. if the military says we need ground troops to wipe out isis. we've got to be -- as commander in chief, you have to be open to that option. we have to change hearts and minds. this president said it will take a generation. we can't beat isis with guns. that's nonsense. these are radical islamic terrorists that are burning people alive. crucifying, killing christians and other religious minorities. we can't negotiate with them. we have to hunt them down and kill them before they attack us here. >> you don't think that's what they're doing now? we've had thousands and thousands of air strikes. isis is not a traditional army. the reason -- and i've been out on an aircraft carrier. i have seen those jets coming back with their bombs still attached because they can't drop bombs in congested areas. they can't risk killing innocent civilians in those areas. so, even though you may want to go after it in a much fuller way, how do you do that with that kind of group? >> martha, i don't think we have fought this war. i disagree. i think if this president were serious, we could wipe them out. i think that the reality is he has discouraged -- you've seen the kurds be effective.
you've seen turkey and other allies do more. they're worried if they take out isis and assad remains in power, it empowers a shia power in iran. they don't want to do that. i think there are more things we could be doing. i think our military could be much more effective. i think they have political handcuffs on them. it makes no sense for us to insist that everything has to go through the central government in baghdad when we have sunni tribes and kurdish allies on the ground. >> okay, governor -- >> who have been effective before. can be effective again. >> i want to turn quickly, if we could, to domestic issues. you got in hot water earlier this week about the shooting in roseburg, oregon, for essentially blaming this shooter's father. writing "this killer's father is now lecturing us on the need for gun control. he has not been in his son's life. he's a complete failure as a father. he should be embarrassed to even show his face in public. he's the problem here." you believe he's responsible for the mass shooting? >> martha, i believe he has no right to be lecturing the rest of us. gun control is not going to solve this.
let's be honest. >> do you know enough about that family to blame that father? >> martha, let me finish. we have a moral decay going on. in our culture we've got graphic violence in our movies, video games, tv shows. we have senseless violence being depicted in our songs. we got a culture that doesn't value life. we've got millions of boys growing up without father figures, without the guidance at home. too often these shooters are misguided young men. so you've got hillary clinton, barack obama, now the shooter's father lecturing us on the need for gun control. he doesn't need to be lecturing us. he, by his own admission, didn't know how his son got those guns, didn't know how many guns his son had. by his own admission wasn't involved in his son's life, hadn't been communicating with him since he was living with his mother. he doesn't need to lecture us on gun control. we need to fix our culture. we need a renaissance of decency. we need a spiritual revival in this country. passing more laws to take away the rights of law-abiding americans won't stop this problem. won't stop the next massacre. won't stop the next tragedy. >> okay. thank you very much for joining
us this morning, governor jindal. you're going to have a great day out there, i'm sure. next, how will the congressional chaos end? "the roundtable" weighs in. >> announcer: catch this week online all week at abcnews.com, on facebook, and twitter. week at abcnews.com, on facebook, and twitter. i'm hispanic and i vote for mr. trump! we vote for mr. trump! yes!
mr. trump! we love you! we love you! all the way to the white house! >> i swear to you -- i think she's totally beautiful and great. i never met her before, i swear. >> donald trump out on the campaign trail this week. we learned outsiders like trump are in charge. republicans in congress still searching for a speaker. back now with "the roundtable." mark, i want to go to you first. >> i think "saturday night live." >> yeah, that just all speaks for itself. so mark, tell me. do you think paul ryan is going to get in the race? >> joe biden and paul ryan's decisions have one thing in common. neither of them has decided yet. the difference between them is joe biden is thinking about going for a job he's wanted his whole life. paul ryan has no interest in this job. he's been pressured.
he's talked to john boehner to kevin mccarthy. mitch mcconnell made the point to ryan directly, if you don't run for speaker, we could lose the senate. no one unless can step up and stop the chaos. he's under a lot of pressure. his wife is in a similar position to joe biden's wife. which is -- i don't want you to do this. but if you want to, i'll be with you. >> ryan has young children. >> he has young children. they're trying to make deals with him that will undermine the way the speakership will be operated. they're saying, you don't want to raise money on the weekends, we'll find someone else. ryan is a policy guy. the speaker is a political job. this is not a great match but they need him. >> he doesn't want to do it. i was looking -- there was one day in the 16th century when two speakers of the house of commons were beheaded on the same day. >> we should have had that as the puzzler. >> so, tavis a really tough job to fill at that point when two were beheaded on the same day. he's feeling the same way. what is the mileage to saying
yes to this other than the fact that everybody in the party is begging him to? >> let's look at the bigger picture. what kind of reset do the republicans need in congress? >> honestly, the fundamental problem is that the leadership does not have leverage over members and this is a big structural problem that flows in the fact that the campaign finance system works very differently. it also flows from the fact that now you have this talk of rule changes where right now, i could offer you a carrot of a seat on a committee that's valuable or whatever else. they're trying to take away that power. if all the power is gone, if it's every man or every woman for themselves, you don't have any discipline. it's completely unmanageable. you need the speaker, whoever that speaker is going to be, to have that ability to extend favors and take them back. if you don't have that, you can't discipline the party. >> ryan will not negotiate for this. mccarthy tried to negotiate for the job saying what do you need? what do i have to do to get your support for this? ryan will not do that. if they come to him by acclimation, i think he'll do it.
but i'm not sure they will. >> he also has to figure out whether or not -- i mean, here's a person who ran for the number two position. he has to figure out if being number three gets me to my ultimate goal, which i think he may still have presidential aspirations. if he goes for number three, he's not going to get number one because he'll have too many enemies when it's all said and done. >> i want to read you something that struck me this week in the "washington post." there's a revolution happening within the republican party right now. the establishment's hold on power is more tenuous than it has ever been at any time in recent memory. there is no one currently in office that can claim with any credibility that he or she speaks for the party as a whole. lz? >> that pretty much sums it up, doesn't it? what i don't understand -- >> you just said, that's exactly right, chris. yes. >> except that these people don't have the votes. you know, they keep talking about the american people did this and the american people did that. the american people put about 40 of them in office. and there are 247.
>> but they have to field the primaries. >> so who do the american people punish for this? >> the irony is, if they got their act together, if they found a speaker, punted most of these issues through the election, in january 2017, they could have the white house, the senate, and the house. that's the irony. people talk about them being in chaos and panic. if they can finesse through the election, find the right nominee for president, they could be in a strong position. >> that's a big if. that's a big if. >> it is. but it's not impossible. it takes a few strong people. one strong speaker. one strong presidential nominee. and they could do it. the problem is an agenda. john boehner had a lot of strengths as speaker. he did not drive an agenda. they need someone more like newt gingrich who can talk about what does the party stand for for the middle class. >> did you just say more like newt gingrich? that would be the last -- >> not in every way. not in every way. >> will there be a government shutdown very quickly? >> could easily be. >> makes it much, much more -- >> unless john boehner is willing to throw himself on the altar of sacrifice and do this with nancy pelosi, there will be. >> okay, thanks to all of you. behind the scenes at
and earlier this week, he talked to george. >> this is a pivotal moment for america's economy. >> when you look back, what is the single most important thing you got right? the decision that made the biggest difference? >> the decision we got right was to -- there were some folks that said, let the financial system fail. it's just wall street. we don't care. it won't affect the u.s. economy. our view was we needed to prevent the financial system from collapsing. >> you couldn't completely avoid the public debate at the time. you write about walking by cars, and seeing the bumper sticker, where's my bailout? >> absolutely. where's my bailout? >> you understand that anger? >> of course i understand it. i mean, first of all, it seems -- it was inherently unfair that wall street was getting help before main street. of course, our motives were to try to protect main street, but in the end, main street took a pretty big hit, as well. >> do you think there is something wrong with the system where the only way to save main street is to bail out multimillionaires?
>> well, first of all, you know, bailing out is a strong word. the owners of bear stearns, for example, the shareholders, lost most or all of their wealth. what we were trying to do is keep these firms from collapsing and bringing everything down with them. after the fact, after the crisis was over, it was incredibly important to take steps to make sure it doesn't happen again and to make sure that no firm is too big to fail. >> bernie sanders said you failed. >> can anybody deny with a straight face that the fed and its chairman, mr. bernanke, failed at its task? they failed. >> what do you make of that? >> well, i think that -- i understand the anger. i understand the politicians are going to respond to the public's concern about the economy, about their own jobs and so on. i understand that. but i think that substantively that they were mistaken. >> you also write bernie sanders basically is a conspiracy theorist. is that what you believe?
>> i don't want to get into individual politicians. >> you write about it in your book. you say -- >> well, i think there is a sense that in the public in anyone if anything bad happens, it's because some evil person willed it to happen. having been inside the government now, i can tell you, a lot of bad things that happen happen because people make mistakes or don't make the right choice or make mistakes rather than actively trying to hurt the economy. that's not usually what happens. >> most americans, even though there's been a fairly strong recovery over the last few years, don't feel it. and they think the system is rigged for the wealthy. are they right? >> well, it's certainly true that the wealthy and the higher income people have enjoyed a disproportionate part of the gains as the economy has recovered. and this is not a new thing. >> what can be done about that? >> it takes sustained effort. and it could be improved certainly and i could give you a long list of policies. >> give me three. >> i'll give you three. better training and skills. getting people up to the point
where they can compete in the global economy. public infrastructure. research and development. i think the government needs to continue to support r&d to help improve our technical knowledge and to keep america in first place globally in technological advances. >> mr. chairman, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> our thanks to george. we're back after this. an, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> we're back after this. now, a rare look inside now, a rare look inside "homeland," the emmy winning
show always packed with imagined, action-filled plot lines that seem a lot more like the real cia's mission list. and we went behind the scenes. >> you're cia? >> i was in the cia. i'm a private citizen now. >> reporter: "homeland's" newest season set in germany begins with a twist. former cia operative carrie mathison, played by claire danes, has given up trying to save the world for domestic bliss. >> carrie has morphed into a happy person. >> reporter: impossible. >> yeah. pigs are flying. she's just fully surrendered to domesticity and having a great time with it for about five minutes. you have the key? oh! >> action. >> reporter: on the set in berlin, carrie's former cia colleague, saul berenson, played by mandy patinkin, is not getting much relief either.
but like the character he plays, patinkin is as tight-lipped as any real cia operative. >> we've had a data breach. >> so, he's back in the game and the stuff starts hitting the fan right away. and then everything gets woven into a web of endless varieties of which i can't really tell you very much. >> this is such a great description of nothing. >> i can't tell you anything. i might as well be a candidate or a president. >> reporter: his dry sense of humor in person is so different from his character's tortured persona. >> keep moving. >> reporter: but patinkin has very strong views about foreign policy that in some ways mirror his character. opening up about his views in a very personal and surprising way. >> i hope there's something people learn from "homeland." i hope there's something being taught about when we act on our own arrogance and thinking that we're right, what happens. ♪ people make mistakes
♪ fathers mothers ♪ people make mistakes holding to their own ♪ >> reporter: that song from the musical "into the woods" points out that even mythical heroes can have flaws much like saul berenson on "homeland." and patinkin has studied that character very carefully with some real world help. >> i met with brennan at the cia. >> reporter: he means the real cia director, john brennan. >> he holds it all tight. doesn't give very much. but he wanted me to see his heart, and he wanted me to see that these cia guys, these guys that get a lot of heat, that they're human beings. what i love about "homeland" is at their best, like shakespeare, to show both sides fully. so, whoever the enemy is, and on both sides i think we're all the enemy and we're all not the enemy.
>> we're all good and evil. >> all of us. and when we do that, that's the game. if people feel they're being paid attention to, if they are being listened to, if they are being respected, i think the world will change. freedom, justice, and dignity. >> season five of "homeland" is airing now on showtime. that's all for us today. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news" tonight. we'll see you back here next week. have a great day.
>> in the news this sunday, police investigators shooting in the east bay that left two men dead. we will have the latest. plus all eyes will be up in the sky for the blue angels. what you need to know for the la of the airshow of the weekend. >> from emeryville you see the patchy clouds. temperatures in the 60s right now. a modest warming trend will start, but records are possible before we get to the middle of the week. the week. i'll explain next on the week. i'll explain next on it took joel silverman years to become a master dog trainer. but only a few commands to master depositing checks at chase atms. technology designed for you. so you can easily master the way you bank.